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2014-07-13 Distraction

Recently, I wrote the following on Google+:

Sometimes I feel like the constant chatter of social media is reducing my creative output. While I’m on G+ or Facebook or Twitter or IRC or even reading and answering mail, I’m not producing things. Somehow my education taught me to value so many other things over the talking about things. The creating of things. The reading of books. Hiking. Perhaps this devaluation of talking about things is not a healthy attitude. In addition to that, there’s the lingering doubt about my willingness to do these other things. If I did not have computers to connect me to all the people out there, would I really be doing these other things, or would I just play on my console, or sleep, or eat?

When it comes to role-playing games, for example: I see all those great pictures people are drawing, and great tables people are writing, and I nod my head and scroll down, and read and nod, and—whaaat, game in 2h and no prep!?

It’s totally true that I don’t see myself as a lone creative person. I need discussion, mutual enthusiasm, a little competitive outdoing, sharing, positive feedback and all that for my creative endeavors. Unfortunately for me, social media provides this, as well as backbiting, acerbic commentary, put downs, cynicism, banter, cat pictures, ranting, and more. I haven’t found a way to control this extra information, however. I need some to feel the bonds of humanity, to experience friendship and joy, to build that social net that will help me when I’m down, talk about my feelings such that I don’t bury them deep within me, but it also distracts me, takes away my ability to focus, allows me to procrastinate… So I think I need a structure like The G+ Hour or aggressive filtering, or a change in lifestyle to find a way out. No longer young enough, when my desires exceeded my ability to digest it all, not yet old enough, when hopefully my wisdom will put it all into perspective automatically…

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> This is a good point. I should set goals like "read at least a page from this book every day," for example.
> -- AlexSchroeder 2014-07-18 17:21 UTC


Are you sure that the problem is distractions, and not the lack of motivation?

There is one trick I use to improve my productivity. I set goals like “do at least 1 change in project X every day”, and it turns out that it is quite effective. If you get distracted too much, by the end of the day you will remember that you haven’t done anything at all, so you open up your IDE or something just to do one tiny change like 1 character in the code, but then you fall into it completely and code all night. It is important to allow any changes, because the point of this thing is to motivate you to start working, it shouldn’t distract you from important stuff in your life.

That’s very easy to do on github, but if your work is not software-related then just get a calendar 😊

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This is a good point. I should set goals like “read at least a page from this book every day,” for example.

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2014-07-11 Speaking in Public

There was a huge disturbance in the force, recently. D&D 5 got published and Zak Smith and the RPG Pundit were credited therein. One of the posts summarizing the issue I read was On the D&D5 Credits Controversy by Gary N. Mengle.

As far as this post is concerned, I’m not so much interested in the peculiarities of this affair, I’m more interested in how we could get here. I think the key to understanding the causes of the problem are to be found in this comment by Zak Smith on a private post on Google+:

There are certain things you don’t say in public no matter what someone means . I don’t care what they mean or if they’re a good person I care what’s in the public record and what people might think who see that public record. – Zak Smith

I was reading the comments on a public Google+ post by Rob Donoghue. The question being discussed was how to disengage from a hurtful discussion. Viktor Haag had just provided an example where person A said something, person B contested it and asked for proof and person A decided to disengage. Now A is angry and feels assaulted by B, and B is angry because A simply left the discussion instead of offering a fair discussion of the accusations. Anna Kreider then offered a different example where person A said something ambiguous (“I have mixed feelings about a thing”) and person B then attacks A for saying all sorts of things they felt this implied while A keeps maintaining that they never said any such thing. So now I started wondering. Why do these things happen? Rob Donoghue said: “Causation is complicated and multi-faceted, nuance is critical and perfect information is impossibly rare. Discussing something under those limitations requires trust and good faith. They must be entered with an interest in finding insight, not right answers.” I think that’s a good position to start with, but it doesn’t explain the vitriol that I’ve been seeing. The rest of this post is the comment I left on Rob’s post…

I can’t help thinking that part of “The Internet Problem” of communication spiraling downwards (as has been the case ever since flame wars erupted on USENET) is the inability of ordinary people to perceive the Internet as a very public space. In the old days, it was hard to say something in public. You basically had to find a publisher and print stuff. It could get heated if you stood up in a town hall meeting and said the wrong thing. But these days, anybody with Internet access can speak in public, and they—we, all of us—are unaware that “there be lions.” We are unaware that public speaking has always come with a distinct understanding of our freedoms and the limits thereof, and of the potential consequences. There’s defamation (libel, slander) laws, copyright laws (intellectual property, digital copying and distributing), and these laws are there to offer recourse for the most problematic aspects—but they don’t offer recourse for most of our actual problems. Our actual problems are often much smaller. That’s how I explain what has been happening: Person A tells their friends that they really don’t like what B has said and done (and they use strong language because they have strong feelings and they feel amongst friends) and person B says “you can’t say X on the Internet in public, to damage my reputation for ever and ever!”

Now, if person A feels that their reputation is being attacked in public, it’s only natural that they want to defend themselves. In public, there is no disengaging from such a discussion because person A has the support of the law. It’s the law that says person A can defend their reputation. If person B then feels harassed because they are being contacted by phone or they are receiving letters to their physical address, then they need to understand, that as far as the law is concerned, there is no difference between life “online” and “real” life. The law only cares about defamation.

To provide you with a different example. I run a site and it attracted spam. One of the links posted linked to a Swiss site. I made fun of them and because this other site is ranked highly by Google, my statements were soon the number two hit for the company’s name. I soon got contacted and told to take it down or face charges. Do I feel they are spammers? Yes I do! Did I take it down? Yes I did. There was no way to disengage without going to court or retracting my statements.

Given that speaking in private and speaking in public has such different consequences, and given all the various ways in which we are now able to publish our thoughts, and given our lack of practice, I think these conflicts are unavoidable, every now and then.

Were you taught about copyright, defamation, and all those laws in school? I sure wasn’t! I was taught to type. I was taught to open my mouth and I was not told about the foot I was soon going to put in there…

I don’t know how to resolve this. I think we need to develop cultural norms to handle this, and we aren’t there yet. I want to talk to my friends like I want to. I want to reach out to strangers and make more friends, and talk to them. The Internet makes this possible. I’m always on the verge of forgetting that so many things are in public, in writing, apparently forever. I may make troubling mistakes. The Internet makes this possible, too.

When it comes to publishing on the Internet, we had to develop cultural norms. Does Information want to be free? How will be pay game developers? Journalists? How will we make sure that our computers will do what we want instead of just doing what their vendors want? And we aren’t there, yet. When it comes to speaking on the Internet, same problem. How do we curate our circle of friends? How about the shades of publicness, social media friends, lists, circles, groups, communities? How do we make sure that our statements will not stand forever and ever? How will we read the deep history of people we talk to, hire, befriend, marry? We aren’t there, yet.

What I took away from all those years on the Internet was being more careful about what I said. At first I felt like a coward. Afraid of comments on my own blog, I was. Then I felt like a hypocrite, wanting people to be open, wanting to feel free, but not ranting like I used to. Was I betraying my ideals? These days I take a legalistic approach. I tread lightly because I’m in public. If I can’t stand the heat after nailing my blog posts to the church door, I’m not going to post. Yes, it’s sad. I will still rant and rave amongst my friends. But online, my friends aren’t Google circles and Facebook friends. Even though the audience appears to be limited, there is no intimacy. This communication is not ephemeral. It’s basically in public.

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< Does information want to be free? It's a ridiculous simplification. [http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/may/18/information-wants-to-be-free] Do we want to pay developers and journalists? I do, some of them. I actually pay double for my favorite newspaper because I want to support them. Pseudonomity is not the solution because I also want to maintain stronger relationships. I find that to be essential to being human. I do agree, however, that expressing opinions in public is fraught with danger---and I suspect it has always been. I just need to think of village life in rural areas today. Say the wrong things in public and you're marked. I disagree with your assessment that anything interfering with free speech being wrong. I think we're better off prohibiting hate speech, threats, and defamation. As for copyright and patents, I'm not sure whether a complete abolishment would solve our problems. I'd already be super happy if we reduced protection to five years. As for "intellectual property" being a propaganda term: There's an actual section in the Swiss code of law that says intellectual property. I am in no position to dispute the nomenclature. It is what it is, a diverse collection of property rights for intangible things.

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> Does information want to be free? It's a ridiculous simplification. [http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2010/may/18/information-wants-to-be-free] [http://www.jwz.org/doc/iwtbf.html] Do we want to pay developers and journalists? I do, some of them. I actually pay double for my favorite newspaper because I want to support them. Pseudonomity is not the solution because I also want to maintain stronger relationships. I find that to be essential to being human. I do agree, however, that expressing opinions in public is fraught with danger---and I suspect it has always been. I just need to think of village life in rural areas today. Say the wrong things in public and you're marked. I disagree with your assessment that anything interfering with free speech being wrong. I think we're better off prohibiting hate speech, threats, and defamation. As for copyright and patents, I'm not sure whether a complete abolishment would solve our problems. I'd already be super happy if we reduced protection to five years. As for "intellectual property" being a propaganda term: There's an actual section in the Swiss code of law that says intellectual property. I am in no position to dispute the nomenclature. It is what it is, a diverse collection of property rights for intangible things.



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A lot of what you’re saying here is unspeakably tragic.

as a side note: Does information want to be free? Absolutely! How will we pay game developers and journalists? Those professions aren’t necessary. It’s very desirable to have them around, so if we can figure out a way to fund them: great. If not, well, it’s not worth sacrificing freedom of ideas.

The solution to your main problem is anonymity, or at least pseudonymity. It’s insane to use one’s real name on the internet but it’s fashionable now. (A cancerous trend started by social media networks.)

I can say and do what I like without the stage fright. My words wont follow me forever. I can let ideas, good and bad, offensive and bland, flow freely. Creating a primordial ooze of thought. Evolution can take it’s course: good ones are kept, bad ones die off.

Society has grown very witchhunty. (Maybe it always has been.) It’s gotten to the point that I’m afraid to express non-standard options tied to my real identity. Especially in public. This is horrible for thought itself. And what’s bad for ideas is bad for mankind.

another side note: Anything that interferes with free speech is simply wrong. I oppose both copyright and defamation laws. (And there’s not really any such thing as “intellectual property”. It’s a bullshit propaganda term.)

– Anonymous 2014-07-11 17:48 UTC



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Does information want to be free? It’s a ridiculous simplification. [1] [2] Do we want to pay developers and journalists? I do, some of them. I actually pay double for my favorite newspaper because I want to support them. Pseudonomity is not the solution because I also want to maintain stronger relationships. I find that to be essential to being human. I do agree, however, that expressing opinions in public is fraught with danger—and I suspect it has always been. I just need to think of village life in rural areas today. Say the wrong things in public and you’re marked. I disagree with your assessment that anything interfering with free speech being wrong. I think we’re better off prohibiting hate speech, threats, and defamation. As for copyright and patents, I’m not sure whether a complete abolishment would solve our problems. I’d already be super happy if we reduced protection to five years. As for “intellectual property” being a propaganda term: There’s an actual section in the Swiss code of law that says intellectual property. I am in no position to dispute the nomenclature. It is what it is, a diverse collection of property rights for intangible things.

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2014-06-29 Welcome to the New Server

Welcome to the new server! I’ve moved from @sagonetworks to @edisat, an Austrian company that also offers servers in Zurich. Good for me, not so good for people in the US, I guess. Does the site feel sluggish to you? Leave a comment and say Hi. Also, let us know from where you’re connecting. 😊

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Hello from the US Alex :) It does seem a bit slower for me, but not so much that it would be an issue.

– Adrian 2014-07-01 15:51 UTC



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Hello, former hiking buddy Adrian! Thank you for stopping by. :)

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2014-06-27 New Hosting Sometime Soon

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3918/14354716818_79324b7034_o.png

Last year, I wondered about webhosting in Switzerland. Today @sagonetworks had another outage and I think I’m going to move my wikis to @edisat. This will take a few days, but I’ve already started the process. Moving data. Setting up the system. When the time comes, I’ll be locking all the wikis on the old host, change the DNS entries and as soon as you get the update, the wiki will be editable again because you’ll be connecting to the new system.

Note the outage in the graphic to the right, and the tapering out of requests as the new DNS entries start sending traffic to the new host. I love my Monitoring. 👍

The new host is called Kallobombus.

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2014-06-04 Net Neutrality

The United States of America are trying to nail their feet to the ground when it comes to the Internet. And knowing their power and influence, and their spying and blackmailing, I wouldn’t be surprised if their ideas start spreading elsewhere. That’s the unfortunate reality of life on the Internet: I feel like I need to pay $10/month to the EFF and $10/month to the FSF in order for them to fight for their rights such that their problems don’t spread to where I live. Globalising the fight for our right!

If you don’t know what I’m talking about, here are two recommended and entertaining videos to explain it all.

If you’re American, you can tell them how you feel. Or, according to FCC Establishes New Inbox for Open Internet Comments, you can send them email: openinternet@fcc.gov

Here’s what I sent, even though I am not an American:

Dear FCC,

Net neutrality, the principle that Internet service providers (ISPs) treat all data that travels over their networks equally, is important to me because without it users have fewer options. ISPs should not be the gate keepers to what we do on the Internet. As it stands, there is also precious little competition between providers. If I don’t like my service provider, what am I going to do? I cannot take my business elsewhere.

A pay-­to-play Internet worries me because new services cannot compete. There is no such thing as a video startup with slow download speeds. We’re automatically favoring existing businesses and making life hard for future entrepreneurs and startups. And we gain nothing in return!

The Internet has the unique ability to make all of us authors. We can read and write, share and consume. By making a fast service more expensive, we’ll be limiting good quality to commercial ventures. We also want non-commercial projects to succeed. We want to download free software, for example. We want to watch our own videos, hosted on our own servers. We don’t want an Internet Apartheid. That is not the “freedom” I want.

Help us make the Internet into the thing almost all of us want, not into the Internet the ISPs want.

Sincerely,

Alex Schroeder

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2013-08-25 Safe Browsing

Today I installed HttpFox, an extension for Firefox which tells me which resources have been requested, what the responses where and so on. I noticed that I got a request for safebrowsing.clients.google.com. Hm. I checked Google Safe Browsing and wondered. I decided to deactivate it. Visit about:config and search for safebrowsing*enabled and set them all to false.

What do you think—overreaction? I didn’t find it on the EFF site. I wonder why.

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Summary: The first time I actually saw "google safe browsing", I thought "what an excellent idea!" – and then I realized that the name is very misleading, and that it actually does the completely opposite thing…

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The first time I actually saw “google safe browsing”, I thought “what an excellent idea!” – and then I realized that the name is very misleading, and that it actually does the completely opposite thing…

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2013-08-15 Webhosting in Switzerland

I’m considering the move of my web space to Switzerland. Any recommendations?

I’ve had the following recommendations:

  • Geekserver by Cyon at 39.–/month (25 GB disk, 1 GB RAM, 1 TB traffic, Debian)
  • Virtual Private Server by hostfactory at 24.10/month (20 GB disk, 512 MB RAM, unknown traffic, Debian), increase to 31.70/month (25 GB disk, 1 GB RAM, unknown traffic, Debian)
  • VRS Micro by EDIS at 1.45€/month (2 GB disk, 256 RAM, 0.5 TB traffic , Debian), increase to 8.00€/month for Basic (24 GB disk, 1 GB RAM, 4 TB traffic, Debian)

Currently 1.00 CHF is about 1.07 USD, apparently.

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> *Update*: As this page seems to attract spammers, I've locked it.


looks very expensive ….http://www.edis.at/en/server/linux-vserver/switzerland/ and http://www.edis.at/en/server/kvm-vps/switzerland/

– Pierre Gaston 2013-08-20 10:29 UTC



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Thanks! I need to investigate which servers are 100% under Swiss law. It’s something I’d be interested in.

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Update: As this page seems to attract spammers, I’ve locked it.

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2013-07-30 Politics

Looking back at how things have gone in the last year I’d say that all my RPG conversation has moved to Google+ and this wiki-blog has turned into a repository of things I don’t want to loose when Google+ is shut down. All my political thoughts are on Twitter: @kensanata and I’m almost exclusively expressing myself via retweets. I’m also more than happy to talk about it on Twitter.

I post my pictures on Flickr at kensanata for myself and cross-post them to Facebook and a protected Twitter channel for the various family members out there.

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2013-04-13 Garamond

I like the Garamond font. This website uses it. Here’s how:

@font-face {
      font-family: 'Garamond';
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: 400;
      src: local('Garamond'), local('GaramondNo8'), local('EB Garamond'), local('EBGaramond'), url(https://themes.googleusercontent.com/static/fonts/ebgaramond/v4/kYZt1bJ8UsGAPRGnkXPeFdIh4imgI8P11RFo6YPCPC0.woff) format('woff');
}

body, rss {
    font-family: Garamond, serif;
    font-size: 16pt;
    line-height: 20pt;
    margin:1em 3em;
    padding:0;
}

As you can see, if you have a font called Garamond, Garamond No. 8 or EB Garamond installed, then the web page will use it. Garamond No. 8 is what I use on my GNU/Linux system. If you don’t have any of them, it will download the EB Garamond files from Google Web Fonts.

I hope it works. Thoughts?

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> @font-face {
> font-family: 'EB Garamond';
> src: url('http://campaignwiki.org/EBGaramond12-Regular.otf'); /* For IE */
> src: local('EB Garamond'),
> url('http://campaignwiki.org/EBGaramond12-Regular.ttf') format('truetype');
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At first, this is what I had installed:

@font-face {
    font-family: 'EB Garamond';
    src: url('http://campaignwiki.org/EBGaramond12-Regular.otf'); /* For IE */
    src: local('EB Garamond'),
    url('http://campaignwiki.org/EBGaramond12-Regular.ttf') format('truetype');
}

body, rss {
    font-family: Garamond, GaramondNo8, "EB Garamond", serif;
    font-size: 16pt;
    line-height: 20pt;
    margin:1em 3em;
    padding:0;
}

My original reaction: Ugh, now that I’m back in the office and sitting at a Windows machine using Firefox, I notice a delay between page load and text display. In fact, monospaced text uses a different font and is displayed immediately. Ordinary text using Garamond gets shown with a delay of a few moments. I just checked and it seems that I have Garamond installed. Why the delay?

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Well, I looked at mod_expire and added the following to my .htaccess file:

ExpiresActive On
ExpiresDefault "access plus 1 hours"
ExpiresByType application/x-font-ttf "access plus 1 years"
ExpiresByType application/vnd.ms-fontobject "access plus 1 years"

FileETag none

AddType application/vnd.ms-fontobject .eot
AddType application/x-font-ttf        .ttf

To no avail! :(

Looking back, I see what went wrong: the font is being loaded from a different domain. I was updating the wrong file.

Then I remembered that Google also hosts EB Garamond. They provide a link to a CSS fragment which contains the @font-face instruction. I added the following to my CSS file:

@font-face {
      font-family: 'EB Garamond';
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: 400;
      src: local('EB Garamond'), local('EBGaramond'), url(https://themes.googleusercontent.com/static/fonts/ebgaramond/v4/kYZt1bJ8UsGAPRGnkXPeFdIh4imgI8P11RFo6YPCPC0.woff) format('woff');
}

body, rss {
    font-family: Garamond, GaramondNo8, "EB Garamond", serif;
    font-size: 16pt;
    line-height: 20pt;
    margin:1em 3em;
    padding:0;
}

I looked at the page headers being sent back and forth using the Firefox Live Headers extension and saw that the font is requested (even though I think the browser will be using the local font instead) – but at least the server now replies with a 304 Not Modified status.

Time passes…

Finally I understand what’s wrong! I need to list the alternative local names within the @font-face declaration! With the following setup, I can see that no remote font is loaded.

@font-face {
      font-family: 'Garamond';
      font-style: normal;
      font-weight: 400;
      src: local('Garamond'), local('GaramondNo8'), local('EB Garamond'), local('EBGaramond'), url(https://themes.googleusercontent.com/static/fonts/ebgaramond/v4/kYZt1bJ8UsGAPRGnkXPeFdIh4imgI8P11RFo6YPCPC0.woff) format('woff');
}

body, rss {
    font-family: Garamond, serif;
    font-size: 16pt;
    line-height: 20pt;
    margin:1em 3em;
    padding:0;
}

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2013-03-14 Google Reader Alternative

Google Reader is being axed. I used it every day.

Evan Prodromou says on Google+
Why, it’s almost as if it would be in your best interest to run network services under your own control instead of using quote-unquote free ones run by someone whose priorities are not aligned with yours.

I might consider it. Years ago, I used rss2email by Aaron Swartz. The irony is that I’ll be reading my blog posts—in Gmail! X(

There are other alternatives. Here’s a crowdsourced list. I see that The Old Reader, for example. “It’s just like the old Google reader, only better.” Here’s a warning sign, however: “We’re in beta right now […]” Will it cost money eventually? How much? I’m not opposed to paying a little money. After all, I want the service to have a future.

Me on Twitter
I read a rant once saying: “Please, services on the Internet, take my money! I want you to have a decent business plan!”

So, run a network service under my own control, or pay somebody else…

As for running something under my own control, I must confess that I’m still averse to running PHP and MySQL on a server of mine. Somehow I keep thinking of the combination as insecure. I downloaded Tiny Tiny RSS and looked at it (also on GitHub).

There is also something about RSS that makes me cringe: If every blog reader installs a feed aggregator that checks its feeds every ten minutes, this won’t scale. A few central aggregators that poll feeds and serve their user interface when requested by users seems like a better solution from a technical point of view.

On my portable devices I’m using the Reeder app. Like many others, it depends on Google Reader. We’ll see what its creator will switch to.

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Summary: Lovers of information now seem to have a tough time with the recent announcement of the closing down of Google reader. However, fans of Google reader can now switch to something new alternatives to Google Reader. I came to across here, http:/how-to.inbest-alternatives-for-google-reader/, with list . . .

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> Lovers of information now seem to have a tough time with the recent announcement of the closing down of Google reader. However, fans of Google reader can now switch to something new alternatives to Google Reader. I came to across here, http://how-to.in/best-alternatives-for-google-reader/, with list of some alternatives of it, but still can't decide that with whom should I go for best result. Now, here its a brief description about some other alternatives, so now its not a very much difficult task for me. Thanks for helping out on above topic.
> -- Ellen Paul 2013-03-22 06:17 UTC



greywulf
I’m looking at both The Old Reader and NetVibes as alternatives. Like many people, I stopped using Google Reader itself to read my Google feeds long ago - on my Desktop I use Nextgen Reader for Windows 8 and I use Flipboard on my Android phone. Killing Google Reader effectively kills those apps dead unless they switch to an alternative API provider, and quick. I am guessing that NetVibes will pick up a lot of the slack and reach out to the Google Reader ecosystem.

greywulf 2013-03-14 10:48 UTC



AlexSchroeder
Hm, there’s definitely a difference between API providers and actual user interface providers.

Jorgen Schäfer on Google+
I generally take pretty badly to getting a “HERE BUY OUR STUFF” shoved into my face. Netvibes does that in a most annoying fashion. So much actually that I didn’t even try it. I’m not interested in constantly getting told that I totally should buy a product, and the screenshots were not really exciting, either. Also, dark background? Seriously?

I wonder… I must say that The Old Reader has a certain nostalgia going for it, haha.

AlexSchroeder 2013-03-14 11:20 UTC



Josh Tolle
This means I will either convert over to gwene (and consume through a news reader) or I’ll write something for myself. I’m leaning toward writing something.

– Josh Tolle 2013-03-14 12:47 UTC



AlexSchroeder
Wow, gwene looks interesting. It appeals to my Emacs and Gnus sensibilities. :) Unfortunately, it doesn’t quite solve the “reading from multiple devices” problem. I’d also have to find an iOS app that uses NNTP.

AlexSchroeder 2013-03-14 12:58 UTC



aaditya
For an online reader I’ve been pretty happy with newsblur.com

aaditya 2013-03-16 06:37 UTC



AlexSchroeder
Hm, TT RSS apparently has an iPhone and iPad app that allows offline reading. [time passes] Actually, now that I’m looking for it, I can’t find it. I guess it’s vapor ware.

AlexSchroeder 2013-03-16 16:02 UTC



AlexSchroeder
I must admit that reading Three Months to Scale NewsBlur made me feel very sympathetic. I also like that it’s free software. Good call, @aadis. Also, “60,000 new users (from 50,000 users originally).” 8-D

AlexSchroeder 2013-03-18 08:47 UTC



Ellen Paul
Lovers of information now seem to have a tough time with the recent announcement of the closing down of Google reader. However, fans of Google reader can now switch to something new alternatives to Google Reader. I came to across here, http://how-to.in/best-alternatives-for-google-reader/, with list of some alternatives of it, but still can’t decide that with whom should I go for best result. Now, here its a brief description about some other alternatives, so now its not a very much difficult task for me. Thanks for helping out on above topic.

– Ellen Paul 2013-03-22 06:17 UTC

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