Comments on 2019-02-16 OSR & Indie

The Planets must Align!

Matthew Haines 2019-02-16 14:52 UTC

Today I learned something new: “One calculation of alignments within around thirty degrees (about as close as they can get) shows that the last such alignment was in 561 BC, and the next will be in 2854. The eight planets plus Pluto are somewhat aligned every 500 years, and are grouped within 30 degrees every one to three alignments.” [1]

– Alex Schroeder 2019-02-16 15:00 UTC

Also, let me know if you want Dark Patterns to be added to the Indie RPG Planet, of course! 🙂

– Alex Schroeder 2019-02-16 15:01 UTC

I don’t know.

I personally do see a large gulf between indie games/story games and the OSR. I’m not interested in the former, but I am interested in the latter. I’m interested in rulesets which model a fictional reality, but not in rulesets which interact purely (or primarily) with the fiction itself.

There may be some bridgebuilding to do, but I think there are core philosophical differences between indie games/story games and the OSR which mean there isn’t really a lot of common ground. Just my 2c.

Charles Angus 2019-02-16 21:55 UTC

I definitely don’t think that we all end up playing the same play. But there are good ideas everywhere. Looking to turn in-game discussions into a mini game? Take a look at Burning Wheel. Interested in new ways to earn XP? Take a look at The Shadow of Yesterday or Solar System or Lady Blackbird. Interested in how “a short rest” might work at the table? Take a look at The Mountain Witch. Interested in modelling threats in a sandbox without playing it all out behind the screen? Take a look at Dungeon World or Apocalypse World fronts. Or even – considering your last blog post – looking for an alternative to existing initiative systems might lead somebody to look at Dungeon World or Apocalypse World turn structure. Some of these are keepers, others I looked at and decided I didn’t want them, but I sure felt the pull.

– Alex Schroeder 2019-02-16 22:43 UTC

Also, can I add your blog to the Old School RPG Planet? 😀

– Alex Schroeder 2019-02-16 22:46 UTC

Please do! I’m finishing up a project at work soon and will likely be posting a bit more after that. RPG writing/thinking always continues, but when I’m busy, blogging falls by the wayside.

Re: good ideas. I guess they can be found anywhere - I’ve looked at some of those games you mentioned and personally found them uninteresting. Dead-ends and irrelevant avenues the OSR has examined and discarded, for the most part.

I guess what I’m saying is while I’m all for convivial relations with the neighbours, the fundamental design principles behind the indie/story scene and the OSR scene are antithetical and incompatible. No value judgment - they simply are in two different design spheres.

Charles Angus 2019-02-16 23:37 UTC

Thank you for your work on this Planet and the contributions you make through your blog and podcast.

I would also request that the story/OSR categories remain as two. Charles Angus states it well:

“I’m all for convivial relations with the neighbours, [but] the fundamental design principles behind the indie/story scene and the OSR scene are antithetical and incompatible. No value judgment - they simply are in two different design spheres.”

Thanks again!

– Blunder 2019-02-17 02:35 UTC

Sure, I’m not planning to get rid of the two “source” Planets. But having the combined Planet available opens up an avenue for “mainstream” blogs about D&D 5E (unless they consider themselves to be part of the OSR), Pathfinder, Vampire, or whatever else people are blogging about without thinking of themselves as “old school” or “indie”. One day, maybe! 🙂

– Alex Schroeder 2019-02-17 07:53 UTC

As someone who is mostly interested in and plays PbtA and OSR games I find this connection quite natural.

So good for you Alex! People are entitled to perceive a great gulf between these things, but in practice I borrow freely across this gulf, so whatever.

Elad Hen 2019-03-04 06:18 UTC

I could smash German words together to give us a name, but for the moment trans-gulf-gamers will have to do! 🙂

Also, looking at these comments, I notice how I really like to use smilies. And I feel a very strong urge to add one to this paragraph as well. What is wrong with me? Will. not. add. emojis!

– Alex Schroeder 2019-03-04 06:53 UTC


Elad Hen 2019-03-04 08:53 UTC

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