Summary: Some of the discussion happened on the Facebook group, and I copied extracts to Community:SocialMedia and related pages.
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> Some of the discussion happened on the Facebook group, and I copied extracts to Community:SocialMedia and related pages.
> -- AlexSchroeder 2012-12-29 23:04 UTC
AlexSchroeder Ugh, Meatball Wiki is full of spam.
– AlexSchroeder 2012-12-26 13:30 UTC
PhilJones Well, you already know but I still think wiki has a future, as pointed to by Smallest Federated Wiki. There are some flaws / issues with SFW, mainly I think because not enough people are working on it, but it’s still the signpost for how wiki could evolve.
2012 is the year when it just became more and more clear that we need our own space and shouldn’t be dependent on Fb / Tw / G+ etc.
Fb / Tw / G+ offer two compelling things : 1) an aggregate river of stuff from people we care about, 2) really easy transclusion from various rich media sites.
We could have a distributed river architecture if we took RSS and some kind of pubsub architecture (eg. RssCloud) seriously. SFW has made transclusion protocols central to its philosophy. If we pick up on both, figure out how to get the most important things we get from the mainstream working smoothly, we can create a compelling alternative on our terms. And one of the interesting, overlooked, facts about G+ is that it showed that significant numbers of people are still willing to experiment with alternatives. As long as you can get a critical mass of around 20 people you care about to use it, G+ is as valuable as anything else. You don’t need 1 billion users. You aren’t trying to take over the world at this point, just to have a syndication / discussion architecture which isn’t owned by THEM.
– PhilJones 2012-12-26 14:03 UTC
take it serious
– MattisManzel 2012-12-26 20:52 UTC
The state of MeatBall is indeed sad. Since it seems inevitable that groups disperse, I am inclined to agree with Phil’s statements favoring SFW. At least that way, ones’ content persists. DaveWiner seems to be doing some interesting stuff with what he calls Rivers. I haven’t decided to try to set that up yet because I personally just don’t have the need and so I would rather allocate my time to the Tiddly* way.
– HansWobbe 2012-12-26 22:37 UTC
– SamRose 2012-12-27 01:23 UTC
SamRose Social media is indeed the place where people are discussing social media. Maybe a small subset using some version of etherpad. Google docs (drive) have taken over where wiki once was strong. People have heard the siren song of services hosted and payed for by someone other than themselves.
I’ve gotten more into RDF/SPARQL myself, and thinking about how to incorporate that into online activity.
– SamRose 2012-12-27 01:27 UTC
I did not know LocalWiki, with interesting minimalist look and interesting features (special about maps?).
Lately, people made good wikis with python (HattaWiki)
– JuanmaMP 2012-12-28 14:46 UTC
– AlexSchroeder 2012-12-29 23:04 UTC